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(Post 2651 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:15:09 |
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| (Post 2652 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:23:14 |
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XGod: Many thanks for your kind concern for newbies who have been collecting $$ during this bull run.
I am new - just started 2 months ago. Although I have not been through the crashes, but am very well aware that this is a minefield full of risks and surprises (both pleasant and not so pleasant ones). What is frustrating is that investments don't seem to bring in higher returns (and excitment), vis-s-vis bold punting on rumours. The added worry is that one tends to spend on easy money. |
| (Post 2653 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:23:23 |
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X, who can forget those days of sleepless nights, asking friends, relatives, banks, hongleong finance... even evil agendas just to find money... one never knew how cold this world can be when one is depressed right down into the bottomless pit where you literally see no day light, literally !!! Many will be the new victims...absolutely no doubt about it! So I beg everyone to discern for the sake of your own future !!! |
| (Post 2654 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:40:59 |
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Hahahaha after all these demoralised but extremely important "messages", lets party for the time being while keeping an eye on the market for the newbies. My time where got help, only ah leong 
See what boosters Leelili have posted for us  |
| (Post 2655 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:41:13 |
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She looks like cheonging, so do the market too.. |
| (Post 2656 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:47:09 |
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Hope she can defy gravity |
| (Post 2657 of 15224) 10/17/2003.16:52:30 |
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Is the correction at c.1750 level done or it has not started yet? Or the correction will probably happen at 1900 level? Any one care to share?  |
| (Post 2658 of 15224) 10/17/2003.17:08:59 |
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Some folks sold too early? |
| (Post 2659 of 15224) 10/17/2003.18:39:41 |
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I was terribly upset last year when the market crashed and I lost a bundle. I was still green then and to make matter worse, my luck was down and I had never gone thru a real bear market. Luckily for me, I had made a tidy sum in the 1st half 02 before the crash occured in the later part. So my net loss was not that bad after all. Now after having heard the confessions from some of you, I feel that I was indeed quite blessed already. This year, I have already made enough (hard cash) to cover for my last year's loss, not including the paper gains that I am currently sitting on. 
Lesson learnt for me is never to chase running stocks that have already gone way up. No contras, no shorts. Other stocks have gone way way up, let them be. Believe in my faith on the stocks that I have purchased and wait for their turns to move up, instead of cashing out and starting to run after other moving counters. Otherwise I may end up being the loser. 
P.S. Even now I am still having to sacrifice my opportunity costs on some stocks in atoning for the mistakes that I made in the past. Hopefully one day I will have atoned for my mistakes. |
| (Post 2660 of 15224) 10/17/2003.20:41:40 |
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I have gone through at least 5 bear markets and they are all the same - people dumped good stocks in panic only to benefit greatly those who are calm and patient. And I do look forward to more bear markets. |
| (Post 2661 of 15224) 10/17/2003.20:54:48 |
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Mep,
So that makes u an old bird? |
| (Post 2662 of 15224) 10/17/2003.21:00:13 |
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Zero_one, I have seen OCBC at $50! |
| (Post 2663 of 15224) 10/17/2003.21:04:19 |
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And Keppel Corp at $10.00?
Me only seen OCBC F at $3.80. |
| (Post 2664 of 15224) 10/17/2003.21:16:35 |
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Mep: Those who have holding power (and who can afford not to panic and remain calm and patient) will benefit from the dumping.
I remember my dad used to buy properties and blue chips pre 1987 in HK to pass onto his children (me included). He didn't even bother to check on the daily movements at all and the scripts were kept in the safe. But after the black Monday, he taught us not to touch shares and put money on properties only. Yet even now, we do have good dividends from the HSBC shares that we inherited and then of course the share value has increased manifold since 1987. I'm not sure whether we could have made higher yields by selling these shares at high price and buying them back at lower price over these 20+ years. |
| (Post 2665 of 15224) 10/17/2003.22:59:08 |
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I have been in the market since '92 |
| (Post 2666 of 15224) 10/17/2003.23:35:49 |
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Of course you can make money in a bear market lah. That is why Mep is looking forward to more as she had emerged a winner eventually in at least some, if not all, the 5 bear markets that she went through.
In this scenario, you require patience (real real one), not kan cheong, and then wait it out to collect stocks at lelong prices. And then HOLDDDDDDDDDDDD. Eventually you will be awarded the trophy. Why? Because no matter whatever happens in the world, the markets will always be there for you to sell later at your target prices. The question is when. Unless, of course, it's the end of the world. Then whatever it is, it doesn't matter anymore.
Of course, beside the LTBH strategy, you can also win it out in a bear market by playing ping pong ball (in a bear market, downtrend prices will get lower after retracing upwards with every big dip, that is, lower will get lower). Traders who play this game have to be very experienced and nimble: ka ka hoot to get in and ka ka hoot to get out, every movement very very chun, fast and hiong. I can safely say most of us here are not cut to compete in this challenge. Those who are holding stocks, do not dump fundamentally solid counters, die die must also hold (provided of course you can hold). There is no change in the intrinsic values of these stocks, except the worsening of overall market sentiments that are being wrecked by the underperforming global economy. When the global economy is on the mend, the first stocks to react in the uptrend will be the counters with solid financials.
This is what I have learnt after going through one bear market last year, at a price. On hindsight, I think it is worth the price. |
| (Post 2667 of 15224) 10/17/2003.23:41:22 |
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There is still hope for my SingTel shares to climb back to above $4 -inheritance for my grandchildren? I bought them at the lauch, as a token of loyalty to my adopted country. Will hold on to them - 3 bull runs down the road to reach the target. |
| (Post 2668 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:06:12 |
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Jos, one bear market could loss so much har.. I just started to trade beginning of this year. As I said, I m 17 going to b 18 soon.
Me never went through any bear market b4. Now in the middle of baby bull market.. so me still learning from the gurus here... Jos, I think opportunity cost is quite high if marni left in piggies. No doubt piggies fundamentals is super strong. But I notice in a bull run like dis one, tech(esp semicon) and marine stocks is leading the pack. I intend to shift some marni to Chartered when the correction period comes.. All the best lar. I join u back b4 CNY.. and slaughter the piggies once and for all |
| (Post 2669 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:11:49 |
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Looks like a lot of newbies in SI (and the stock market) lately...
Something for you... It will happen again. Just a matter of time. Human beings never change.  |
| (Post 2670 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:17:57 |
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Amos, In a sustained bull market, everything will eventually run like crazy bulls in the rampage. Some will break the ice first and then others will follow. Everyone will have its day. This is good so people can rotate from stock to stock to win $ mah. Provided of course you know the right direction to head for lah. If all counters went up at the sametime, all of you would be charging madly in all directions and don't know which direction.
Most prices are running away now, it's risky to move from counter to counter, that's why I rather stay put for my counters to take their turns to do its bull dance. |
| (Post 2671 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:21:22 |
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US very red now ... Nas -30 oredi ...  |
| (Post 2672 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:21:37 |
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01,  wah lao eh, who wrote this mile-ful writeup on The Great S'ore Sale har. Can definitely put me to sleep instantly. Will read sometime - quite sure I can learn something from there. Always good to share. |
| (Post 2673 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:24:57 |
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Nite nite to everyone still on the forum  |
| (Post 2674 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:25:04 |
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Jos, wil remember.. thank z
Zero one, that article must be the longest in SI history.. thankz |
| (Post 2675 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:26:18 |
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I have been thru Fish, DBS online forum, Poems, StockTalk etc etc... and only SI has held up well |
| (Post 2676 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:32:23 |
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It's no joke Jos. I went through that as a newbie and got burnt chao tah. Luckily I was a student then, didn't have much money to lose, and too cautious to contra Just imagine MFS Tech suddenly drop to 60 cts in 1 day. That was what it was like. Those who contra really can go jump. I'm not saying that it will happen next week or even next month, but I am certain that it will happen again. Newbies, you have been warned |
| (Post 2677 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:35:17 |
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Jos, Amos
The Sesdaq crash in July 1999 was an engineered one, IMO. No doubt it was a fully-inflated bubble but the burst was exacerbated by the coordinated efforts of xxxxxxxxxx. So-called support levels were easily broken with ease. Most investors were too stunned (and too slow to react) and in the end suffered tremendous losses. Those part-time traders who have a day job and hardly got the time to monitor were the ones to get hit the most. Read and digest carefully. That's my advice. |
| (Post 2678 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:37:24 |
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Zombie, I prefer FISH coz it is raw and unmoderated Sad that it disappeared. Over there, the ugliness of the stock market and its people is there for all to see. So much less hypocrisy. |
| (Post 2679 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:47:16 |
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01, i couldnt believe it when he mention my broker in the first few paragraph. My eyes is too difficult to open now. No doubt 2molo, I;ll slowly digest the article. Thanks again, 01. |
| (Post 2680 of 15224) 10/18/2003.00:48:43 |
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Towkay 01, still up arh? . Still holding on to integra? |
| (Post 2681 of 15224) 10/18/2003.01:11:15 |
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Gd Luck to all newbies |
| (Post 2682 of 15224) 10/18/2003.07:46:26 |
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| (Post 2683 of 15224) 10/18/2003.08:37:06 |
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Zero 1: Many thanks for bringing to our attention Beliver's posting for 1999 crash. What an insightful account of synidcates manipulating the market leading to its downfall. The synidicates are still operating agressively now. Does that mean the authorities at the time had not done anything in response to his posting? |
| (Post 2684 of 15224) 10/18/2003.10:04:18 |
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If SARS return, I am waiting to see if there is any bulls left. Weigh this risk seriously against the current bullishness.
"DJ Singapore, Malaysia Discuss SARS Contingency Plans 17 October 2003, 18:43 SINGAPORE (AP)--Singaporean and Malaysian health officials met Friday to plan for a possible fresh wave of severe acute respiratory syndrome cases as winter approaches, the government said. The officials shared information about their contingency plans for a "northern winter resurgence of SARS" and agreed "there was a need to remain vigilant," a joint statement from the two health ministries said. Equatorial Singapore fears that an outbreak during the cold season in the northern hemisphere could again be transported to the city-state by travelers, as it was in March this year. The virus that causes SARS, believed to have originated in China, can survive longer in the atmosphere at low temperatures. Malaysia and Singapore promised to work together as they did during the first outbreak to share information and standardize health check protocols at checkpoints, the statement said. They will meet again in Kuala Lumpur in three months, it added. SARS killed 33 people in Singapore, infected 239 and cost the economy about S$1 billion (US$1=S$1.7411) Malaysia, which is separated from Singapore by a narrow causeway, was hit relatively mildly by the outbreak earlier this year, with two deaths among five patients, all of whom were infected outside the country. About 50,000 Malaysians travel to Singapore daily for business and work. Health authorities in both countries had accused each other of being lax in carrying out health checks at the causeway at the height of the SARS outbreak earlier this year. SARS killed SARS 774 people out of nearly 8,100 infections, mostly in Asia. The vast majority of cases were in mainland China and Hong Kong. (END) Dow Jones Newswires 17-10-03 1043GMT |
| (Post 2685 of 15224) 10/18/2003.10:08:37 |
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Mep Sir,
we have to live with "SARS",... and get used of "SARS" hor ,... |
| (Post 2686 of 15224) 10/18/2003.10:13:58 |
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GG, live with SARS? One isolated case of SARS in Sep already sent the market spiralling down. If more than one case, STI willtua lou sai for few days at least and many will cut loss. |
| (Post 2687 of 15224) 10/18/2003.10:17:24 |
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and ppl like u with luibaba,.. will go inside and grab ,..
"building up ur wealth on many cut losses wounds",...
don't forget, some biz may not be affected by SARS,.. so,.. u sey leh?? if SARS forever existence,... u think u will "hide" inside ur shelf forever,..??? |
| (Post 2688 of 15224) 10/18/2003.12:32:09 |
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Waiting for a correction or bear mkt is always a costly affair. As we can't time the mkt it's reasonably logical to stay invested in a bull mkt, albeit one must exercise his/her own risk management. I've also gone through a few bear mkts, first being in 1987, but I can't say I'm now prepared for the next one, esp. if you look at 1999 that was, like Zero-1 said, an engineered phenomenon. There's no way to tell when it's coming though there may be tell tale signs (on hindsight) when trading restrictions were imposed. Anyway, let's ride this bull while it lasts but do keep both eyes and ears wide open as disaster usually strikes when least expected. |
| (Post 2689 of 15224) 10/18/2003.12:35:23 |
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Agree, so always stay invested (but not fully invested with all you have), watch valuation always and keep some spare change to seize opportunity if market falls sharply. |
| (Post 2690 of 15224) 10/18/2003.14:40:45 |
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Wow learnt something from the Gurus today. Mmmm Mep aka soros0 you theory is realistic. normally i put almost all the eggs into 1 baskets ^_^. but that 1 basket normally fundamentally there 1 |
| (Post 2691 of 15224) 10/18/2003.14:42:31 |
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Yos 1 more thing dear Gurus, diversifying investment or concentrated investment, which 1 do most of you subscribe to? Heehee just curious. Me fall in the Cat of the 2nd one. |
| (Post 2692 of 15224) 10/20/2003.09:51:02 |
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DJ MARKET TALK/SG: Global Fund Mgrs Buy More Asian Stks
20/10/2003 09:45 [Dow Jones] Asian stocks becoming more popular with global fund managers who, in turn, reducing exposure in Latin American equities; Boston-based EmergingPortfolio.com says global funds have bought $7.8 billion in Asian stocks in year to Sept. 3 (no comparison to year-before period given), while $1.5 billion in Latin American stocks sold over same period. Adds Taiwan's favorite market of emerging-market investors among global fund managers, but also more buying interest in South Korea, China, India shares.(TDS) |
| (Post 2693 of 15224) 10/20/2003.10:35:59 |
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DJ MARKET TALK/SG: Asia Techs Hoping For Bumper Christmas
20/10/2003 10:25 [Dow Jones] Asia tech firms hoping for lots of holiday demand in U.S. with early signs there'll be more gadgets, toys tucked under Christmas trees this year; makers of chips, mobile phones, digital cameras, DVDs all reporting strong sales to U.S. after 2 disappointing Christmas seasons. "(I.T.) spending has started to recover. Lots of component supplies are getting tight," says BenQ Corp's Alex Liou; adds J.P. Morgan's Bhavin Shah, "as of now, it seems we're having the best second half since 2000."(RXM) |
| (Post 2694 of 15224) 10/20/2003.10:48:17 |
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observation...
Fear sets in. Mkt continues to rise. Stale bulls sell. Caution sets in......Most will lament, sold too early. Mkt continues to run and STI hits 1850....stale bull sells more. Gurus say 2500 coming.....those who missed, jumps in; some stale bull buys. Mkt corrects and rebounds.....all make $$$. Mkt corrects further and....then those who buy high, sell low Some wait for next cycle.....stale bulls |
| (Post 2695 of 15224) 10/20/2003.10:56:31 |
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Moneytree,
Ha ! Ha ! Ha ! Good stuff ! |
| (Post 2696 of 15224) 10/20/2003.10:59:30 |
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Moneytree
a great historian Stock exchanges where history repeats over and over again |
| (Post 2697 of 15224) 10/20/2003.11:04:03 |
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...a link for newbies and bulls (stale and all)......take it with salt or not
web page |
| (Post 2698 of 15224) 10/20/2003.12:27:21 |
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10 DAYS CHARTS.....
...the not so obvious corrections.... |
| (Post 2699 of 15224) 10/20/2003.12:33:14 |
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suddenly sti jumped up 7pts  |
| (Post 2700 of 15224) 10/20/2003.15:07:02 |
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What's hapeninf to SI..............
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